Curse

cebalrai · Mar 23, 2008, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper

Please oh please then tell me what you are doing? Beacuse the rest of us sure haven't found this trick of yours.

Here's what I do in the game... I don't set out to farm but I make plenty of money anyway.

1) Some nights I AB for a while, picking up 3-4 Z-Keys that I sell for 3k each. In addition to amber, that's roughly 15k per night right there. And that's on a night when I'm just pvping and not trying to make any money.

2) I have adapted builds to excel in a few dungeons. I can run Sepulchre of Dragimmar for example in about 35 minutes, banking about 3k in loot plus whatever I get in level 2 hidden treasures and maybe an Onyx from the boss. I've had plenty of runs that have netted me over 10k due getting a ruby or whatever.

3) Once in a while I get a nice gold worth selling. I sometimes sell on guru auctions which has been a nice source of cash.

4) I'm patient.

Malice Black · Mar 23, 2008, 02:01 PM // 14:01

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Originally Posted by bhavv

I solo UW with elly, no one else needed, and you need consumables vs Jade Brotherhood in factions. Dragons stomp, triple chop / cyclone axe, ancestors rage mobs.

Everywhere else Celerities FTW. I cant vanq without them, I use one in every area.

And why assume im a monk when my character profesion says E?

You don't need consumables to Vanq.

JONO51 · Mar 23, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

I dont think so. Personally, I have made loads of money after LS without farming, purely through playing the game H/H, doing the odd elite mission/vanq here and there. I have to ask, what is everyone spending their money on that makes them lose so much? All I really spend it on is cheap unded minis (9/20 so far for HoM, around 60k more to max it), ID kits and a few salvage ones. Recently I spent a lot on cap sigs, but it didnt make me broke. So why peoples money dissapearing so fast?

reetkever · Mar 23, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

The people on this thread are spoiled and impatient. You're only satisfied doing things the quick and easy way. The fact that Anet let you get your way for so long is their fault though, so I largely blame them for spoiling you.

Here's a thought... Earn money the normal way. Stop looking for quick fixes and loopholes in the game to make your money. Yes, the notion of a single character can clear entire areas for insane amounts of cash is a loophole in the game. It was not the intent of the designers of the game, and they addressed the issue.

Play the game as it was intended and be happy you were permitted instant-gratification solo cash farming for so long.

/ADAMANTLY NOT SIGNED

Have you actually played the game before Loot Scaling?

It would still take one about half a year to buy stuff like FoW armours from the profit made by Trolls. The guys don't make you rich in an instant, it takes patience and time.

It wasn't intended by the game, but A-Net DOES approve of farm builds and don't think they are wrong. Else they wouldn't have made Mhenlo a 55 HP monk...

cebalrai · Mar 23, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by reetkever

Have you actually played the game before Loot Scaling?

It would still take one about half a year to buy stuff like FoW armours from the profit made by Trolls. The guys don't make you rich in an instant, it takes patience and time.

It wasn't intended by the game, but A-Net DOES approve of farm builds and don't think they are wrong. Else they wouldn't have made Mhenlo a 55 HP monk...

You miss my point. I'm not saying that it's possible to make LS-era gold now. I'm saying that that it's perfectly fine to make less gold.

I think it's a good thing that it takes tons of dedication to make tons of money. It was just too easy before to make gobs of cash solo farming, which the game never intended.

reetkever · Mar 23, 2008, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

You miss my point. I'm not saying that it's possible to make LS-era gold now. I'm saying that that it's perfectly fine to make less gold.

I think it's a good thing that it takes tons of dedication to make tons of money. It was just too easy before to make gobs of cash solo farming, which the game never intended.

No, before the LS it took tons of dedication to make tons of money. Now it's impossible to make tons of money unless you make GW your second life or win an Asian Mini-Pet or something.

Witchblade · Mar 23, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

The people on this thread are spoiled and impatient. You're only satisfied doing things the quick and easy way. The fact that Anet let you get your way for so long is their fault though, so I largely blame them for spoiling you.

Here's a thought... Earn money the normal way. Stop looking for quick fixes and loopholes in the game to make your money. Yes, the notion of a single character can clear entire areas for insane amounts of cash is a loophole in the game. It was not the intent of the designers of the game, and they addressed the issue.

Play the game as it was intended and be happy you were permitted instant-gratification solo cash farming for so long.

/ADAMANTLY NOT SIGNED

I love ya

@Reet: Weird, it's still working for me a quite a buncha people... I made only 250k by playing the game in half this week, i know nothing fancy...
But i SWEAR, i saw monsters still dropping items when you kill em...

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by reetkever

No, before the LS it took tons of dedication to make tons of money. Now it's impossible to make tons of money unless you make GW your second life or win an Asian Mini-Pet or something.

Ohhh, so now this is no longer about the casual player not being able to afford the basics. It's about people wanting to be able to make "tons of cash" in a short time. /ponder

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Weird, it's still working for me a quite a buncha people... I made only 250k by playing the game in half this week, i know nothing fancy...
But i SWEAR, i saw monsters still dropping items when you kill em...

Yeah I was able to save for FoW in a couple weeks. Does that count as "tons" of money?

Ork Pride · Mar 23, 2008, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

The people on this thread are spoiled and impatient. You're only satisfied doing things the quick and easy way. The fact that Anet let you get your way for so long is their fault though, so I largely blame them for spoiling you.

Here's a thought... Earn money the normal way. Stop looking for quick fixes and loopholes in the game to make your money. Yes, the notion of a single character can clear entire areas for insane amounts of cash is a loophole in the game. It was not the intent of the designers of the game, and they addressed the issue.

Play the game as it was intended and be happy you were permitted instant-gratification solo cash farming for so long.

/ADAMANTLY NOT SIGNED

The way people were playing the game before was the way it was intended, you kill get money and get armor/whatever anet put into the game to be acquired, if a person was able to clear an area for insane amounts of cash that was no loophole, if it was anet would have fixed it a long long long time ago. Also, for those who weren't here before LS, you have no say in the matter due to the fact that you only know the experience with lootscaling.

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by Ork Pride

you kill get money and get armor/whatever anet put into the game to be acquired

You can still do that >_>

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Originally Posted by Ork Pride

if a person was able to clear an area for insane amounts of cash that was no loophole, if it was anet would have fixed it a long long long time ago.

They did...by adding loot scaling...

reetkever · Mar 23, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

@Reet: Weird, it's still working for me a quite a buncha people... I made only 250k by playing the game in half this week, i know nothing fancy...
But i SWEAR, i saw monsters still dropping items when you kill em...

Well 1 out of 10 monsters might drop an item when killing them. As for the 250K in a week... It's hard to believe that unless you are playing this game ALOT, you are a Hardcore Farmer or you are EXTREMELY lucky with drops. I haven't got more than 100K in a MONTH. Well I ended up with less because I needed to buy other stuff.

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

Ohhh, so now this is no longer about the casual player not being able to afford the basics. It's about people wanting to be able to make "tons of cash" in a short time. /ponder

No, I was just explaining a thing to the guy that said it was possible to make tons of cash in the past just by farming Trolls. That was not the case as it was still very hard to become rich cause of trolls.

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

You can still do that >_>

Except now, when you kill there is only a few % chance you get money.

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

They did...by adding loot scaling...

No, it was never possible to kill an area of monsters. It was also impossible to get insane amounts of cash from farming, too. The most cash that was usually aquired from a Troll run was 1,5K.

UW, however, is untouched and it's possible to make 45K there with ease. Too bad Underworld isn't for casual gamers and to farm there it takes alot of time and cash.

Loot Scaling wasn't implented as a counter for Casual Farming, btw.

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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No, it was never possible to kill an area of monsters. It was also impossible to get insane amounts of cash from farming, too.

Wrong. Before loot scaling it was possible to make 5-10k+ in a short run. Run out, kill some mobs, merch all the junk, repeat over and over. THIS is what anet wanted to (and did) stop.

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Loot Scaling wasn't implented as a counter for Casual Farming, btw.

No. It was implemented to counter hardcore gold farming bots, and hardcore farmers, and to stop the uncontrolled flood of new gold entering the economy. Which it achieved. Casual farmers (like me) can still farm.

Razz Thom · Mar 23, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

I am a casual player.... want to know if any hardcore players are willing to donate a full collection of destroyer weapons to me because they are really expensive and i would like to get my bonus in GW2 also please. Since only the oldheads are allowed to have money evidently.

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Razz Thom

I am a casual player.... want to know if any hardcore players are willing to donate a full collection of destroyer weapons to me because they are really expensive and i would like to get my bonus in GW2 also please. Since only the oldheads are allowed to have money evidently.

600/Smite CoF. You'll get your Destroyer weapons. Though I don't quite get why a "casual" player should expect to get a full set to begin with, loot scaling or not.

Razz Thom · Mar 23, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

well then let me spell it out moron.......... ----->H.O.M.<----
I will still be a casual player in GW2 and I would like to get the same bonus from my HOM as the hardcore player. The more crap you cram in, the better the reward, right? It is BS and I hate it (everyone should start the new game equal, no bonuses), but it is part of it now. Even if the reward for filling the HOM is 7gold and a butt-shaped hat, I should be able to get it.

Ork Pride · Mar 23, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

You can still do that >_>

Not without dieing of boredom.

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They did...by adding loot scaling...

Wrong. Please, try again.

Savio · Mar 23, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Razz Thom

Even if the reward for filling the HOM is 7gold and a butt-shaped hat, I should be able to get it.

And you can get it, if you work for it. HoM rewards (or anything else) are not handed to you because you think you're entitled to them.

Also, you're not a casual player.

Razz Thom · Mar 23, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

except i have a life! And since i will end up spending the same amount of RW cash for the game as the hardcore gamer but i don't have time to farm for 2 years to get the stuff. That (RW cash) entitles me to the same perks in the new game. They drop HOM reward, I drop sign against LS.

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Razz Thom

well then let me spell it out moron.......... ----->H.O.M.<----
I will still be a casual player in GW2 and I would like to get the same bonus from my HOM as the hardcore player. The more crap you cram in, the better the reward, right? It is BS and I hate it (everyone should start the new game equal, no bonuses), but it is part of it now. Even if the reward for filling the HOM is 7gold and a butt-shaped hat, I should be able to get it.

The rewards won't be game-altering, or anything that gives a player an advantage over another. Nor will they be anything a "casual player" even needs to think about.

Right now you are posting here. Could you be doing CoF runs right now? Getting the onyxes, diamonds, and gold you'll need? If not, you sure could when you are able to. Instead of sitting and complaining, you can actually....try?

It's not hard to get gold, people. Stop being lazy.

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Wrong. Please, try again.

I'll counter your in-depth argument with one just as intelligent.

No U!

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except i have a life! And since i will end up spending the same amount of RW cash for the game as the hardcore gamer but i don't have time to farm for 2 years to get the stuff.

And...this is Anet's fault? Sounds like a "he has it and I dont!!! I want it tooo!" to me...

reetkever · Mar 23, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

Wrong. Before loot scaling it was possible to make 5-10k+ in a short run. Run out, kill some mobs, merch all the junk, repeat over and over. THIS is what anet wanted to (and did) stop.

I don't know where you used to farm, but the casual farm spots like griffons and trolls only looted about 900 gold in total. 1,5K if you were lucky. The truly profitable runs for the hardcore farmers (Like UW, FoW) were the ones where alot of cash dropped.

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

No. It was implemented to counter hardcore gold farming bots, and hardcore farmers, and to stop the uncontrolled flood of new gold entering the economy. Which it achieved. Casual farmers (like me) can still farm.

If so, it did not work. hardcore farmers don't farm trolls. They farm UW, DoA, FoW etc. Trolls don't get Hardcore farmers enough money.

Casual farmers (Like you claim to be) farmed trolls, Vermins and griffons. Their spots have been nerfed to drop nothing now.